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	<title>Comments on: See the Value in CEVAs</title>
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		<title>By: rijswijk</title>
		<link>http://bigmenoncontent.com/2008/03/13/see-the-value-in-cevas/#comment-92</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marko,
If you want to put some research in how to develop CEVAs i would encourage you to discuss with Max J. Pucher Owner and Architect of ISIS Papyrus.

ECM systems are platforms but ISIS Papyrus is more, it is a Business Information Platform that is build around an Architecture that is made for Content Enabled Business Applications.

Anchored by their Papyrus WebRepository, the ISIS solution covers the full spectrum of Enterprise Content Management being capturing, archiving, document management, records management, distributed output management, portal and offline working and a full-fledged Automated Document Factory.

The secret is in the WebRepository, it not only stores instances (whatever content or data) in the ObjectRepository and closing the loop between inbound and outbound. It also stores all class definitions, templates, resources, business rules, process patterns, User Interface definitions and task definitions and put them under version control. The concept of Projects allow the business (without the need for IT) to control release new versions to Test and Production of course with approval workflows. Also the BPM engine is part of the WebRepository. It´s not a conventional limited flow-drawing tool but a Complex Event Processor that acts on state changes in the objectmodel. On top of that we have what we call an User Trained Agent, that can be trained by experts to perform tasks. No programming, just feeding examples as in doing your normal job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marko,<br />
If you want to put some research in how to develop CEVAs i would encourage you to discuss with Max J. Pucher Owner and Architect of ISIS Papyrus.</p>
<p>ECM systems are platforms but ISIS Papyrus is more, it is a Business Information Platform that is build around an Architecture that is made for Content Enabled Business Applications.</p>
<p>Anchored by their Papyrus WebRepository, the ISIS solution covers the full spectrum of Enterprise Content Management being capturing, archiving, document management, records management, distributed output management, portal and offline working and a full-fledged Automated Document Factory.</p>
<p>The secret is in the WebRepository, it not only stores instances (whatever content or data) in the ObjectRepository and closing the loop between inbound and outbound. It also stores all class definitions, templates, resources, business rules, process patterns, User Interface definitions and task definitions and put them under version control. The concept of Projects allow the business (without the need for IT) to control release new versions to Test and Production of course with approval workflows. Also the BPM engine is part of the WebRepository. It´s not a conventional limited flow-drawing tool but a Complex Event Processor that acts on state changes in the objectmodel. On top of that we have what we call an User Trained Agent, that can be trained by experts to perform tasks. No programming, just feeding examples as in doing your normal job.</p>
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		<title>By: ECM: A Working Definition for the Next Generation &#171; Word of Pie</title>
		<link>http://bigmenoncontent.com/2008/03/13/see-the-value-in-cevas/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ECM: A Working Definition for the Next Generation &#171; Word of Pie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] applications that I have previously referred to as Content Enabled Applications, but Gartner and others refer to as Content-Enabled Vertical Applications, or CEVAS. (Gartner&#8217;s term pre-dates mine [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] applications that I have previously referred to as Content Enabled Applications, but Gartner and others refer to as Content-Enabled Vertical Applications, or CEVAS. (Gartner&#8217;s term pre-dates mine [...]</p>
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		<title>By: msillanp</title>
		<link>http://bigmenoncontent.com/2008/03/13/see-the-value-in-cevas/#comment-54</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There really is two ways you can look at the consolidation.  As a market, I would agree to you that with the smaller ECM companies now a part of larger organizations makes investment in a platform more attractive.  But from a development perspective consolidation has not taken the risk away.  We still have the same number of major players.  

EMC had no content solution.  IBM bought FileNet but kept it and Content Manager on separate product paths.  Maybe Oracle is the only one that did some consolidation.  Unfortunately there still is no solid leader so anyone aspiring to develop a CEVA will need to place some bet on one (or two) of the vendors.  

I think I have a formula for a low risk way for companies to develop CEVAs.  I have a little more research on the subject but I plan to post it in a few weeks. 

btw - I fixed the link to your article, which I enjoyed.  Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There really is two ways you can look at the consolidation.  As a market, I would agree to you that with the smaller ECM companies now a part of larger organizations makes investment in a platform more attractive.  But from a development perspective consolidation has not taken the risk away.  We still have the same number of major players.  </p>
<p>EMC had no content solution.  IBM bought FileNet but kept it and Content Manager on separate product paths.  Maybe Oracle is the only one that did some consolidation.  Unfortunately there still is no solid leader so anyone aspiring to develop a CEVA will need to place some bet on one (or two) of the vendors.  </p>
<p>I think I have a formula for a low risk way for companies to develop CEVAs.  I have a little more research on the subject but I plan to post it in a few weeks. </p>
<p>btw &#8211; I fixed the link to your article, which I enjoyed.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: jasonhirst</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my view, it was the fragmented state of the ECM platform market that held back the emergence of CEVAs. With the consolidation we have seen over last couple of years, it has become easier for an aspiring content-centric application developer to pick a winning platform. I wrote about the potential for CEVAs and the parallels between the ECM and RDBMS markets here: http://altien.blogspot.com/2007/02/is-ecm-new-erp.html

More than a year since my last blog post - I hope to remedy that in the near future. I&#039;m enjoying your work though - keep it up!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my view, it was the fragmented state of the ECM platform market that held back the emergence of CEVAs. With the consolidation we have seen over last couple of years, it has become easier for an aspiring content-centric application developer to pick a winning platform. I wrote about the potential for CEVAs and the parallels between the ECM and RDBMS markets here: <a href="http://altien.blogspot.com/2007/02/is-ecm-new-erp.html" rel="nofollow">http://altien.blogspot.com/2007/02/is-ecm-new-erp.html</a></p>
<p>More than a year since my last blog post &#8211; I hope to remedy that in the near future. I&#8217;m enjoying your work though &#8211; keep it up!</p>
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